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Norman Finkelstein Slams BDS, One-State Solution and Palestinians 'Right of Return'
Norman Finkelstein - Gaza An Inquest into Its Martyrdom-University of California Press (2018).pdf (file not included in this release)
A Response to Norman Finkelstein's Moral Arguments - Coleman Hughes, Michael Moynihan
Image and Reality of the Israel - Norman Finkelstein.pdf (file not included in this release)
Norman G. Finkelstein - The Holocaust Industry Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering-Verso (2003).pdf (file not included in this release)
Norman X. Finkelstein - I’ll Burn That Bridge When I Get to It! Heretical Thoughts on Identity Politics, Cancel Culture, and Academic Freedom (2023, Sublation Press) - libgen.li.pdf (file not included in this release)
Beyond Chutzpah_ On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the — Norman G. Finkelstein — 2, 2008 — University of California Press — 9780520249899 — 8c039fe5f9c8acc34660d0369993a4e4 — Anna’s Archive.pdf (file not included in this release)
The Camp David II Negotiations- How Dennis Ross Proved the Palestinians Aborted the Peace Process - Norman Finkelstein
What Mr. Destiny will face when he debates Finkelstein : r/Destiny
- Criticism of Israel: Finkelstein is a sharp critic of Israel, describing it as an “insane” and “vandal state” that is focused on war and aggression.
- Views on Terrorism and Civilians: He maintains ambiguous views on terrorism, suggesting that groups like Hezbollah have the right to target Israeli civilians if Israel persists in targeting civilians.
- Support for Hezbollah: Finkelstein has expressed solidarity with Hezbollah, particularly in its defensive actions, and admires its leadership and discipline.
- Israel’s Motives in the 2008 Gaza Offensive: He argues that Israel’s offensive in Gaza in 2008 was motivated by Hamas signaling a desire for a diplomatic settlement.
- Two-State Solution vs. One-State Solution: Finkelstein supports a pragmatic approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, favoring a two-state solution over a one-state solution, which he views as unrealistic. He criticizes the two-state solution for perpetuating a state based on racial supremacy and injustices to Palestinians.
- Critique of BDS Movement: While he agrees with the tactics of the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement, Finkelstein criticizes its demands and views it as exceeding the limits of progressive thought. He believes that BDS’s demands, if met, would lead to the end of Israel.
- Questioning the Peace Process: Finkelstein has expressed skepticism about the existence of a genuine peace process between Israel and Palestine, viewing it as a facade for annexation by Israel.
- Criticism of Palestinian Leadership: He criticizes the Palestinian leadership for being corrupt and lacking idealism and commitment to the Palestinian cause.
- Opposition to Armed Resistance: Finkelstein considers the notion of successful armed resistance in Gaza a fantasy and advocates for mass non-violent resistance.
- Zionist Historical Tradition: He challenges the modern Zionist historical tradition, particularly regarding the Palestinian exodus and Israeli exploitation of Palestinian resources.
- Views on Jewish Charities: Finkelstein has accused Jewish charities of exploiting the Holocaust for monetary gain.
- Critique of Alan Dershowitz: He has been involved in academic conflicts with civil liberties lawyer and Israel supporter Alan Dershowitz, criticizing his work and views on Israel.
- Adherence to a Two-State Solution: Finkelstein’s support for a two-state solution has led to criticism from some pro-Palestinian groups.
- Evolution of BDS Movement: He notes the evolution of the BDS movement and its impact, though he criticizes it for deviating from its original platform.
- Israeli Assaults on Gaza: In his book “Method and Madness,” Finkelstein argues that Israel’s assaults on Gaza are attempts to re-establish regional deterrence rather than retaliation against Hamas violence.
- Legality and Moral Right of Palestinian Resistance: He asserts that Palestinians have the legal and moral right to combat occupation by force but recommends non-violent resistance as a more effective approach.
- Israel’s Refusal to Abide by International Law: Finkelstein believes the unresolved nature of the conflict is due to Israel’s refusal, backed by the U.S., to abide by international law and the opinion of the international community.
- Israeli Preparations for War in Other Regions: He has commented on reports in the Israeli press about Israel preparing for potential attacks on Iran and Lebanon, indicating a focus on regional conflicts.
- Lack of Emotional Connection with Israel: Finkelstein has expressed a lack of emotional connection with Israel, citing its brutal military actions.
- Opposition to States with Ethnic Character: He opposes the concept of states based on ethnic character, not just Israel.
Lycan x Finkelstein and a lesson in why citing books you haven’t read is a stupid idea. : r/Destiny
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Avi Bitterman, MD on X: “Debunking Norm Finklestein’s “Scholarship” on the numbers: In his book, Method and Madness, Norm claims on page 127: “Although Israel reveled in the success of its newly deployed Iron Dome antimissile defense system,6 it almost certainly did not save many, and perhaps not any,… https://t.co/U8tEkA867b” / X
Destiny Notes
Norman Finkelstein
https://www.youtube.com/live/Zzjicdi3O0o?si=BYiNn9-bahsPqlyK
Claims
- Gaza has been illegally annexed by Israel according to international law.
- has it been? Does the IC say that?
- Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on earth, more densely populated than Tokyo.
- is it so dense?
- In 2006, Hamas participated in elections and won. Bush pressured them to have elections. People hated the PA because they were corrupt.
- what was Hamas up to before that? Why did people hate the PA? Where did election pressure come from?
- Day after elections, Jimmy Carter declared them fair, then Israel put up a blockade.
- 1why did blockade go up?
- 50% unemployment.
- like U3 or? Could they even work? What about work permits?
- 50% has extreme food insecurity in Gaza.
- what is the number? Does this matter? What is the definition?
- The Hamas people who came out of the gates were overwhelmingly 20-23, they were born into the concentration camps.
- do we know their ages???
- Finkelstein less than animals quote.
- the quote was about Hamas, from defense minister. And it actually says the exact opposite about the Palestinian people.
- Operation Cast Iron ceasefire was broken.
- it was, but let’s get more information about this.
- Every international organization, including Goldstone, says that the blockade in Gaza is a war crime.
- is it? Do they?
- I use all the sources, they say Hamas uses no human shields.
- sources even from AI and the UN say they do, so do Hamas??
- 47:56 Amensty International found no evidence that Hamas directed the movements of civilians to shield military objectives.
- this and then the cringe definition of human shields
- This is called “not taking precautions to shield civilians” under international law
- no it’s not???
- The Gaza ministry of health is a civilian organization
- is it???
- “Nobody says anything about the Israeli numbers when the number changed after Oct 7th”
- are we saying they have the same level of accountability??? Does Hamas have their own b’tselem
- “We need to wait, I don’t know how many were killed with crossfire.”
- did you wait for the hospital story???
- “Israel has the best first responders in the world…how did the number keep growing?”
- the implication being this was faked??
- “A military expert called them bottle rockets.”
- he says the Iron Done is just conspiracy/for show???? https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinian-rocket-and-mortar-attacks-against-israel#2006
- 1:03:40 Is it a war or a genocide? What are the facts? 3 statements quotes.
- look up every single quote
- 97% of water is poisonous from the ground wells. It’s not potable.
- is it?
- All three of these statements mean Israel has launched a war of genocide.
- intent? Any other plausible explanation for actions?
- 2% of food trucks are being admitted.
- for how long? Is this true?
- The NYT says they have stockpiles of food, weapons, fuel, Finkelstein says “the officials said…”
- so he doesn’t trust the NYT officials but trusts Hamas???
- He says again “they’re all animals” and “they’re all legitimate targets”
- are these quotes accurate?
- Half dozen quotes by Israeli officials “let’s use this as an opportunity to get rid of the Palestinians from Gaza”
- what are they?
- They want to force Egypt to let them into the Sinai.
- where have they said this?
- People were trying to discredit the PLO back in the days. They did everything they could to get a two state solution under international law.
- black September??? Jordan/Lebanon??? Camp David??? Geneva accord???
- Beginning in 2006, there were many attempts to reach a settlement of the conflict. 30 year Truce.
- were there??? What did they look like???
- When I say Settlement, I mean based on the principals of International Law.
- palestinian refugee situation is unique, they go back right to their homes???
- Every year the UN votes on “Peaceful Settlement of the Palestine question.”
- what are the terms?
- The Palestinians feel like the IC gave up.
- why didn’t the West Bank attack as well, then?
- Occam’s Razor for why Oct 7th happened, because of concentration camps conditions.
- why don’t we apply this to Israel and the genocide question, then???
- They decided on October 7th to take their fate into their own hands.
- what about every Hamas attack since then????
- Nat Turner rebellion brought up a ton. Then John Brown inspired by him, this lead to the Civil War.
- is slavery really comparable??? Is he justifying all civilian violence, then??? also sooo much question dodging on hard questions.
- What did the Jewish Fighting Organization accomplish? Nothing good, just destruction of the ghetto.
- is this a good comparison??
- Why don’t they let Palestinians out?
- how do you migrate out of Gaza. Let them leave and never come back???
- Israel is keeping all of Gaza hostage.
- doesn’t this directly contradict earlier when you said they wanted to drive them out to the Sinai?
- Maybe if there wasn’t a blockade in Gaza, maybe this wouldn’t have happened in the first place?
- just quote 2nd intifada weapon shipments
- When quote clarification happens he says “and what is the inference?” And he keeps saying “no distinction.”
- but you ignore the Hamas charter, propaganda, and all the statements????
- They announced their plan on October 8th, and then they’ve followed that plane.
- cite them changing over and over again from US pressure
- In the first week, they dropped more bombs than any year in the war in Afghanistan.
- what was the Afghanistan death toll???
- Wouldn’t their be more deaths?
- he DODGES again with this “facts” quote, then leads to with child quote AGAIN, this man lives in memes
- Why doesn’t Egypt let any out to travel?
- dodges question and makes it about letting ALL Palestinians out
- They want to release them into the Sinai to rot and die.
- what??? Israeli settlements were popping up in the Sinai after ‘67, also again where is the proof for this?
- So many statements from Isralies saying “this is a great opportunity to resolve the Gaza question.”
- who? Name them
- Does Hamas need to be dismantled? Well if Hamas needs to be dismantled, so does the Israeli government.
- do they really conduct themselves in the same way? Also he says he never dodges questions but this is ANOTHER DODGE.
- It “mows the lawn”
- source of this quote needed
- The people in Gaza were never given a chance.
- chance for what?!
- Bush forced elections, they voted Hamas, and then Israel put up the blockade.
- are we missing something here???
- It was a dictatorship, but that dictatorship was the result of never giving the people another election.
- didn’t Hamas toss out the Fatah and cancel all elections????
- Sociologist book “Politicized” called Gaza the largest concentration camp in 2003. More mow the lawn quotes.
- look up this rationale
- They did terror bombing in WWII to get the civilians to rise up against the Germans. Over 800,000 civilians killed.
- did they?
- It’s expecting something amazing for the people of Gaza to not make homicidal statements.
- the histories are not even remotely comparable here. Why the difference between the West Bank and the Gaza strip?
Hamas attacks Egypt?
Why is Hamas bad?
- Not democratically elected. Coup’d Fatah, no elections.
- Transmits propaganda to children.
- Inhibits any peace process, they just want war. Remember the fighting with Abbas when he wanted truce in 2005.
- Utilize human shields. Even IC recognizes this.
- Hoards and diverts money from humanitarian places. Digging up pipes, stealing money, hoarding food.
- Digs tunnels, fires rockets constantly.
Questions for Norm
- Does Hamas have a moral justification for terrorism against Isralies?
- Are their actions taking Palestine closer to or further from peace?
- How should Israel respond to Hamas?
- Why does Israel have the blockade?
- Why didn’t Egypt or Jordan make a Palestinian state in ‘48?
- Do you have any criticisms at all for Hamas?
- Is getting rid of Hamas a worthy goal?
- Do you support a one state or two state solution?
- Why doesn’t the IDF “mow the lawn” in the West Bank?
- Why do you say consensus says blockade illegal but only cite one footnote in chapter 4 of Method and Madness.
- Why do you describe the Turkel report as Quasi-Official?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag7bSPFhb1Q
The Blockade in Gaza
- Started in 2005
- Incident - In May of 2010, attack on Turkish vessel Mavi Marmara
- On September 27th, 2010, a UN General Assembly report from the HRC declared (on line 53/54) the blockade in Gaza to be collective punishment, or illegal under international law.
- In September of 2011, a report of the Secretary-General’s Panel of Inquiry on the 31st of May, 2010 Flotilla Incident claimed that the blockade followed international law.
Elections in the Gaza Strip
- Background
- 2006 elections were the second set of elections for the PLC
- The Palestinian Cairo Declaration
- Called for the elections to be held using a mixed voting system.
- Under USAID, the US spent $2.3million in support for Palestinian elections.
- Some claim that this was an attempt to influence the results.
- Plan to overthrow Hamas
- Bush administration approved a plan to overthrow Hamas by funneling arms and resources to Fatah in the Gaza Strip.
- May 2007 - The Desoto Report of the same affair,
- Did Hamas moderate?
- Bush administration approved a plan to overthrow Hamas by funneling arms and resources to Fatah in the Gaza Strip.
2008 Israel ceasefire breaking
Tunnels are a right to self-defense
Operation Cast Lead
3 times ceasefire that reduced blockade restrictions
Protective Edge
Future video
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/TurkelCommission.pdf
https://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/15session/a.hrc.15.21_en.pdf
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-205969
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule97
https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/015/2009/en/
https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/MDE2116432015ENGLISH.pdf
- Human Shield Stuff
- Detailed discussion on 242, treatment into the future
- Restricting cookies/sugar
- Shlomo Ben Ami video/quote from book
- 2000 Camp David Summit
- Scars of War, Wounds of Peace
