Mosab Hassan Yousef vs. Marc Lamont Hill - Debate

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What is Palestine & Israel?

Palestine is NOT a country, nation, ethnicity
Palestine is a colonial term, created by British
- Life span 25 years
- British Mandate of Palestine
Arafat used the term Palestine to create hostility
- Created the PLO and Palestine in Eygpt
Once you see that Palestine was NOT a state or nation; the argument of colonialism falls apart
Passport from West Bank were born Jordanians, Gaza Egyptians

There are winners and losers in war; not an occupation
So this occupation is not the Palestine, its an occupation of Jordanian territory
No checkpoints previous to First Intifada, one family
- Jews and Arabs together

Childhood narrative of being a victim
- Israel is the root cause of all P. problems
- even the honor killings, child abuse, domestic violence, discrimination
Turning defeats into massacres and genocide wasn’t helpful. Created an entire generation of hatred
Self-inflicted pain based on poor choices
In 1948; instead of the Arabs investing their energy make a flourishing state, they invested their energy to destroy Israel

People are resisting the political Zionist waves
- First Alliyah
When you create a safe haven, what does it look and at who’s expense does it come?
Department of Colonialism in Yishuv
- Couldn’t find any evidence
Goes back to quote arguments
- Jabotinsky, Weismann, Herzl saying it was colonial
- Settler colonial project; to replace the people that was there, not to dominate
Eraser of P. people and life
References: Jabtoinsky's The Iron Wall
Morris says Transfer
- Colonizers > ^1d0cd5

False narrative and important to break it to stop the violence
Falsehood leads to violence
Ottoman, 400 years of Jewish ethnic cleansing
People migrate for many reasons, natural flow of human societies
People seeking refugee from brutality
Israel is the living example of the diversity of human society; while you don’t see it in the Arab societies
Israel creates great societies and then the worlds attempt to conspire to eliminate them.

settler colonialism by Patrick Wolfe
- structure and process
Claims all “new historians” claim Nakba was that Arabs left because of the war; but kicked out
Massacres
They have a right to return; there’s rules to this
To create ethnic majority, they had to expel 700,000 and claims Benny Morris agrees with this
- Benny morris does not agree
- Benny Morris: Israel-Palestine, Genocide, Apartheid, Hamas, Muscular Judaism, and the Nakba | RP#201 - YouTube

Failing attempt of the loser, wants to turn defeat into something else
Culture based on honor or shame
If you can’t accept defeat, you can’t know victory
Arab miscalculation is the fault
“Make jews the fish of the sea”
Powerful story about grandmother
Arab arrogance is responsible
Very important: Israel didn’t return the favor like the Arab states did, they didn’t give them 24 hours notice to leave their country after the 1948 war
Where did the 2 million Arabs come from in Israel? If its an ethnic cleansing, why would they still be there?

Only 43% voted for Hamas
- Fatah won 41% — then Hamas killed them
‘revised charter’
- says its interesting how we would be basing Hamas on their old charter not the new one
  - This contradicts the logic of how old Zionism ideas were colonialism and attributing that to now
P. people are not fighting against Jews, but struggling against Jews nationalism
Conflation of Zionism vs. Jews
Struggle against colonial occupation
Israel doesn’t have a constitution
- [Although Israel does not have a single complete constitutional document, in its forty-five years of statehood the Jewish state has developed an operative constitution of its own, embodied in a set of written texts that reflect the political system on which the state is based, its social content, and an expanding …](https://www.jcpa.org/dje/articles/const-intro-93.htm#:~:text=Although%20Israel%20does%20not%20have,social%20content%2C%20and%20an%20expanding)
- Israel is one of only five countries without a written constitution, along with Saudi Arabia, New Zealand, Canada, and the United Kingdom. The UK never had a written constitution because it never needed one.
Israel doesn’t acknowledge P. right to exist
Hamas isn’t supported by the people because there wasn’t an election

World of Arabs were behind Hamas and not against; big moment missed
- “Between infant or elder, between Thai worker or worker”
P. Nation
- Agree on leadership
- Stop discrimination against black people
- Stop honor killing
- Stop child abuse
- Women equal rights
- Stop child abuse
- Stop leadership living as billionaires in luxury in diaspora as people live in dispair
- Israel has a right to exist